An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
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An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
Hey all, as most of you know I won the auction last week for the early Edinger that was new in box from Goodwill, of all places. Having now gone through everything in the box, analyzed and photographed it, I can say with a good amount of certainty it is complete and all original.
These early kits, as well as most through the '80s and '90s never cease to intrigue me as they almost all seem unique in their own way. I am not sure if it was the level of handcrafting, or the grassroots nature of the manufacturing processes but they all have their own character, which I will try to capture and document below.
Look forward to input and corrections if I missed anything. Lastly, apologies in advance if I cover items already of common knowledge to the community.
... grab a sandwich, and let's begin ...
- Box, top.
- Box, front.
- Box, rear.
- Box, right. Stamped as expected.
- Box, left. Stamped as expected.
- Box, bottom.
- Assembly and Operating Instructions (Front)
- Assembly and Operating Instructions (Back)
- Instruction Book Supplement (Contained inside the Assembly and Operating Instructions)
- RC 10 Instructions (Front)
- RC 10 Instructions (Rear)
- #3818 Stickers (Black)
- ROAR Registration Card (Front)
- ROAR Registration Card (Rear)
- RC10 Product Catalog (Front)
- RC10 Product Catalog (Rear)
- This is catalog #10PL Dec 1984.
- I have yet to find an example dated earlier than this.
- 'Racing with the Team' Summer 1984 (Front)
- Have yet to see another version of this newsletter.
- 'Racing with the Team' Summer 1984 (Rear)
- Parts List (Contained inside 'Assembly and Operating Instructions'
- Listing for #6000 Basic Kit is of particular interest.
Items not represented:
'- Shock wrench / ball joint tool'
'- Headlamp set'
'- Knock-off set'
- Allen tools and servo tape.
- Note: No shock wrench included as mentioned above.
- Light anodized, no stamp chassis, as expected.
- Clearly an early version chassis, tooling marks, hammer marks, and imperfections visible prior to anodizing process.
- Note: Of particular interest are three (3) holes countersunk after anodizing process. Upon close inspection these were done with a machine and not by hand. Was this an operator mistake, or intentional?
- Rear wheels / tires.
- Note: 'Good Year' logo not present. This is very interesting.
- Front wheels / tires.
- 'Good Year' logo present.
- Antenna kit.
- Note: Antenna is quite short compared to most kits I've seen. Also of interest are the markings on the tube indicating what it's originally intended use was. This appears to precede antenna tube manufacturing intentionally for hobby use.
- #6636 Diff Lube.
- Note: Container marked on underside 'Cal Containers Van Nuys, Calif.'. A nod to the old days when we manufactured and sourced everything, locally.
- Bag #6-1 Front suspension
- Bag #6-2 Servo saver
- Note: Two (2) large savers with two (2) long arms, as expected. This was the first time I got to see how long these arms actually were as they are not cut or trimmed.
- Bag #6-3 Front anti-roll bar
- Bag #6-4 Chassis parts
- Bag #6-5 Body mounts
- Note: I do not recall ever seeing three (3) mounts in this package, especially the smaller mount. Was this unique to the early releases?
- Bag #6-6 Servo mounts
- Bag #6-7 Battery mounts
- Note: Fiberglass battery straps, as expected.
- Bag #6-8 Rear suspension
- Note: Rear axle wing nuts, as expected.
- Bag #6-9 Rear shocks
- Note: Notched shock pistons and machined aluminum shock spacers, as expected.
- Bag #6-10 Front shocks
- Bag #6-11 Springs and oil
- Note: Captured rear spring cups, as expected.
- Bag #6-12 Transmission
- Note: Difficult to discern due to tight packaging if transmission plate is double e-clip type but assumption is that it is. Clear plastic gear cover.
- Bag #6-14 Ball ends
- Note: Fully rounded ball ends, as expected.
- Bag #6-15 Gears
Conclusion:
- I believe this to be a 100% complete and accurate representation of an "Early Edinger" #6000 Basic Kit.
- Quality control was clearly an issue early on.
- I believe anodizing was sourced from a variety of sources, or process was not consistent. This is a 'light' chassis but appears to be slightly darker than some chassis I have, possibly others faded over time or due to excessive use.
- Post-anodizing countersunk holes are interesting. Again, I am not sure if this was an oversight during manufacturing, or possibly a running change. I have additional data that warrants it's own forum thread.
- Lack of 'Good Year' on rear tires is very interesting. The assumption is both front and rear tires have 'Good Year' on these early models however this is clearly not the case. Inventory shortage? Intentional? Possibly a VERY EARLY, or VERY LATE 'Early Edinger' running change?
- Makes me very interested in how many 'early' kits were made of each version #6000, #6012, #6010, #6016, and #6020.
- I consider myself very fortunate to own this kit.
Full resolution images located here: https://duckhead.smugmug.com/RC/Early-Edinger-RC10/
Thanks!
->Mark
These early kits, as well as most through the '80s and '90s never cease to intrigue me as they almost all seem unique in their own way. I am not sure if it was the level of handcrafting, or the grassroots nature of the manufacturing processes but they all have their own character, which I will try to capture and document below.
Look forward to input and corrections if I missed anything. Lastly, apologies in advance if I cover items already of common knowledge to the community.
... grab a sandwich, and let's begin ...
- Box, top.
- Box, front.
- Box, rear.
- Box, right. Stamped as expected.
- Box, left. Stamped as expected.
- Box, bottom.
- Assembly and Operating Instructions (Front)
- Assembly and Operating Instructions (Back)
- Instruction Book Supplement (Contained inside the Assembly and Operating Instructions)
- RC 10 Instructions (Front)
- RC 10 Instructions (Rear)
- #3818 Stickers (Black)
- ROAR Registration Card (Front)
- ROAR Registration Card (Rear)
- RC10 Product Catalog (Front)
- RC10 Product Catalog (Rear)
- This is catalog #10PL Dec 1984.
- I have yet to find an example dated earlier than this.
- 'Racing with the Team' Summer 1984 (Front)
- Have yet to see another version of this newsletter.
- 'Racing with the Team' Summer 1984 (Rear)
- Parts List (Contained inside 'Assembly and Operating Instructions'
- Listing for #6000 Basic Kit is of particular interest.
Items not represented:
'- Shock wrench / ball joint tool'
'- Headlamp set'
'- Knock-off set'
- Allen tools and servo tape.
- Note: No shock wrench included as mentioned above.
- Light anodized, no stamp chassis, as expected.
- Clearly an early version chassis, tooling marks, hammer marks, and imperfections visible prior to anodizing process.
- Note: Of particular interest are three (3) holes countersunk after anodizing process. Upon close inspection these were done with a machine and not by hand. Was this an operator mistake, or intentional?
- Rear wheels / tires.
- Note: 'Good Year' logo not present. This is very interesting.
- Front wheels / tires.
- 'Good Year' logo present.
- Antenna kit.
- Note: Antenna is quite short compared to most kits I've seen. Also of interest are the markings on the tube indicating what it's originally intended use was. This appears to precede antenna tube manufacturing intentionally for hobby use.
- #6636 Diff Lube.
- Note: Container marked on underside 'Cal Containers Van Nuys, Calif.'. A nod to the old days when we manufactured and sourced everything, locally.
- Bag #6-1 Front suspension
- Bag #6-2 Servo saver
- Note: Two (2) large savers with two (2) long arms, as expected. This was the first time I got to see how long these arms actually were as they are not cut or trimmed.
- Bag #6-3 Front anti-roll bar
- Bag #6-4 Chassis parts
- Bag #6-5 Body mounts
- Note: I do not recall ever seeing three (3) mounts in this package, especially the smaller mount. Was this unique to the early releases?
- Bag #6-6 Servo mounts
- Bag #6-7 Battery mounts
- Note: Fiberglass battery straps, as expected.
- Bag #6-8 Rear suspension
- Note: Rear axle wing nuts, as expected.
- Bag #6-9 Rear shocks
- Note: Notched shock pistons and machined aluminum shock spacers, as expected.
- Bag #6-10 Front shocks
- Bag #6-11 Springs and oil
- Note: Captured rear spring cups, as expected.
- Bag #6-12 Transmission
- Note: Difficult to discern due to tight packaging if transmission plate is double e-clip type but assumption is that it is. Clear plastic gear cover.
- Bag #6-14 Ball ends
- Note: Fully rounded ball ends, as expected.
- Bag #6-15 Gears
Conclusion:
- I believe this to be a 100% complete and accurate representation of an "Early Edinger" #6000 Basic Kit.
- Quality control was clearly an issue early on.
- I believe anodizing was sourced from a variety of sources, or process was not consistent. This is a 'light' chassis but appears to be slightly darker than some chassis I have, possibly others faded over time or due to excessive use.
- Post-anodizing countersunk holes are interesting. Again, I am not sure if this was an oversight during manufacturing, or possibly a running change. I have additional data that warrants it's own forum thread.
- Lack of 'Good Year' on rear tires is very interesting. The assumption is both front and rear tires have 'Good Year' on these early models however this is clearly not the case. Inventory shortage? Intentional? Possibly a VERY EARLY, or VERY LATE 'Early Edinger' running change?
- Makes me very interested in how many 'early' kits were made of each version #6000, #6012, #6010, #6016, and #6020.
- I consider myself very fortunate to own this kit.
Full resolution images located here: https://duckhead.smugmug.com/RC/Early-Edinger-RC10/
Thanks!
->Mark
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Re: An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
Spending so much time with this kit over the last week really has me interested in it's history. There were a few items included in the box that make me think the owners original intentions were to buy a #6016 kit but either the hobby shop did not have it in stock, or possibly gave him a "deal" on this one.
- #6900 Ball Bearing Set
- #6711 Throttle Resistor
- Where's the rest of the electronics to go with this?
- #6500 Yokomo Offroad Stock 05 Motor
- Andy's Wide Front Arms with 3410 Wide Front Steering Rods
- Clearly the owners intentions were to race. Curious why the arms were loose in the box.
- #6900 Ball Bearing Set
- #6711 Throttle Resistor
- Where's the rest of the electronics to go with this?
- #6500 Yokomo Offroad Stock 05 Motor
- Andy's Wide Front Arms with 3410 Wide Front Steering Rods
- Clearly the owners intentions were to race. Curious why the arms were loose in the box.
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Re: An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
Very impressive! Congrats! You rolled the dice with those pics they provided and I’d say it was a HUGE win!
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It seems odd these days not to see "www.com" somewhere in the documentation, box labels or flag-tags. Definitely a piece of history. Nice score!!
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Re: An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
Nice score and great documentation
My No Stamp chassis is not the "lightest" gold I have seen but shows no after ano countersinking.
The Good/Year deal is interesting, manual shows front and rear with lettering.
I ran into a new early A stamp with rear Good/Years and Blank fronts, so anything is possible. AE must have been buying them in bulk so anything goes.
Also, I enjoyed my sandwich (and Beer).
My No Stamp chassis is not the "lightest" gold I have seen but shows no after ano countersinking.
The Good/Year deal is interesting, manual shows front and rear with lettering.
I ran into a new early A stamp with rear Good/Years and Blank fronts, so anything is possible. AE must have been buying them in bulk so anything goes.
Also, I enjoyed my sandwich (and Beer).
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Congrats! Thank you for the detailed post.
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Re: An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
A guy on FB just posted a resto project of this one's twin. Goodyear fronts, plain rears. His has half hex ball cups though.
Lots of running changes on those Edingers....
Lots of running changes on those Edingers....
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Re: An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
Nice write up and analysis. It definitely confirms what has been seen, suspected and described before. The extra countersunk holes in the tub must have been made by the previous owner to be able to move the battery holders in the most forward position.
I have two new built Edinger kits, the earliest one has no logo tires while the later one has Goodyear rears and blank fronts. It seems to me that AE had a large bin of mixed blank and logo tires when they started the production and that these were grabbed at random. Or maybe the blank ones were only mixed with the ones with logo after Goodyear refused to grant a license...
While I was finishing building the earliest kit last weekend, I also stumbled on that smaller third body post that was left in the box. I still have no clue where it was supposed to be used
regarding your transmission, it must be the one with two circlips.
I have two new built Edinger kits, the earliest one has no logo tires while the later one has Goodyear rears and blank fronts. It seems to me that AE had a large bin of mixed blank and logo tires when they started the production and that these were grabbed at random. Or maybe the blank ones were only mixed with the ones with logo after Goodyear refused to grant a license...
While I was finishing building the earliest kit last weekend, I also stumbled on that smaller third body post that was left in the box. I still have no clue where it was supposed to be used
regarding your transmission, it must be the one with two circlips.
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Thanks for having taken the time to share with us!
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This thread is awesome, thanks for digging in and sharing the results. Its' really interesting how vastly different that chassis shading shows over all of the different pictures. 'light gold' can sometimes be misrepresented just in the photos.
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Very nice man! Congrats on the purchase!
Excellent job on the photos and detailed information
Excellent job on the photos and detailed information
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Re: An Analysis of an Early Edinger (Warning: Long and Image Intensive!)
Thanks for noticing, I intentionally took a few pictures with slightly different angles and lighting. I struggle with that very issue when looking at eBay auctions, etc. because the lighting can really fool you sometimes.
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I won't lie, a big part of me feels like it should be built
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