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They also have a DS for a steal at $1000 marked down from $1499

And making plenty of profit on $40 shipping.

R/Cat wrote:

Lonestar wrote:I agree which is one reason I'm going with a Trinity/Kinwald Dirtinator 10T brushed motor, Novak T4 ESC and Nimh batteries most of the time with occasional lipo run for fun. The other is I think I'll enjoy the nostalgic experience of a vintage car like this the most if it has period-correct brushed power.

10turns is way too much for such a car unless all you do is zip back and forth in the driveway with bald tires... no one ever ran these in 2wd on a track bitd, and not because runtime was an issue... just too much motor for a 2wd (unless your brushes are shot and comm is burnt, in which case it certainly won't perform like it's intended).

Paul

Momo5 wrote:The price for the rere is already up on the bay...unreal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Team-Assocuated-RC10-15th-Anniversary-Edition-6001-/221247400232?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item33835f6928

Maybe this is the rare "Assocuated" version. Oh and the 15th anniversary edition.

awesome

hey, if he sells, more power to him...

Lonestar wrote:

R/Cat wrote:

Lonestar wrote:I agree which is one reason I'm going with a Trinity/Kinwald Dirtinator 10T brushed motor, Novak T4 ESC and Nimh batteries most of the time with occasional lipo run for fun. The other is I think I'll enjoy the nostalgic experience of a vintage car like this the most if it has period-correct brushed power.

10turns is way too much for such a car unless all you do is zip back and forth in the driveway with bald tires... no one ever ran these in 2wd on a track bitd, and not because runtime was an issue... just too much motor for a 2wd (unless your brushes are shot and comm is burnt, in which case it certainly won't perform like it's intended).

Paul

Good info, thanks. In all the years I've had the Kinwald Dirtinator (bought it new in '96-'98) I've never even had it mounted in a car let alone run it in one so I have no idea what kind of power it actually has. Now I know what to expect. Do you think playing with the timing would help? Out of curiosity, why would Trinity make such a motor based on Kinwald's favorite winds if it wasn't intended for a 2WD car? Is it a 4WD motor?

R/Cat wrote: Out of curiosity, why would Trinity make such a motor based on Kinwald's favorite winds if it wasn't intended for a 2WD car?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CelebrityEndorsement

Lonestar wrote:

R/Cat wrote: Out of curiosity, why would Trinity make such a motor based on Kinwald's favorite winds if it wasn't intended for a 2WD car?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CelebrityEndorsement

lol...good one, gotcha. Of course there's the celebrity spokesman part of it but it still seems odd that they would slap his name on a motor not intended for a 2WD car when he drove one to an IFMAR WC but I guess anything's possible.

A 10T would be way to hot for this re-re, but I have seen many drivers use that hot of a motor in the pre-brushless era of cars. Yes, in 2wd buggies & 2wd stadium trucks (I ran a 10T single-fat wire Big Jim motor in my XXTCR for offroad).

JK Racing wrote:A 10T would be way to hot for this re-re, but I have seen many drivers use that hot of a motor in the pre-brushless era of cars. Yes, in 2wd buggies & 2wd stadium trucks (I ran a 10T single-fat wire Big Jim motor in my XXTCR for offroad).

trucks, yes! with a smooth throttle finger...

2wdbuggies, mmmmh... that s a LOT of motor even by modern standards! at the time when the Dirtinator was at his peak, i think we were more about 12s and 13s in buggies! in any case for a 1st gen rc10, this is too much

Paul

R/Cat wrote: why would Trinity make such a motor based on Kinwald's favorite winds if it wasn't intended for a 2WD car? Is it a 4WD motor?

Kinwald ran 2wd buggy, 4wd buggy & 2wd Stadium truck as well. Could have been for the latter 2. Heck, could have been one of his favorites for Touring Car as well.

Lonestar wrote:

JK Racing wrote:A 10T would be way to hot for this re-re, but I have seen many drivers use that hot of a motor in the pre-brushless era of cars. Yes, in 2wd buggies & 2wd stadium trucks (I ran a 10T single-fat wire Big Jim motor in my XXTCR for offroad).

trucks, yes! with a smooth throttle finger...

2wdbuggies, mmmmh... that s a LOT of motor even by modern standards! at the time when the Dirtinator was at his peak, i think we were more about 12s and 13s in buggies! in any case for a 1st gen rc10, this is too much

Paul

My XXX-CR ran a 10x2 checkpoint with lipo and was spot on. Against a full hoard of buggy-hating 2WD trucks it won A-main finals on a regular basis. But, I agree that with a 6-gear RC10 it would be way too much! Fun though! Lol!

R/Cat wrote: Out of curiosity, why would Trinity make such a motor based on Kinwald's favorite winds if it wasn't intended for a 2WD car? Is it a 4WD motor?

Just because a motor is designed for a 2wd buggy doesn't mean it's suitable for every 2wd buggy. It's not suitable in the rerelease RC10 in the same way a modern 7.5T brushless is not suitable in a Tamiya Sand Scorcher.
The Dirtinator was released much later than the 6 gear RC10. By the time the Dirtinator motor had been released chassis, battery and tyre technology had developed enough to be able to use the power. For example the RC10s internal gear ratio had changed to allow the use of lower wind motors, to run a 10 turn motor on a 6 gear would mean trying to fit something like a 90+ tooth spur gear on there. You then had the 6 gear having problems coping with the limited power we were using back then, no way could it be reliable with mid 90s power levels. Tyres also had to develop, in the mid 80s we were using tyres that could wheelspin with a Mabuchi 540. Fitting a 10T motor with no slipper would be fun to watch just to see if you could actually get it off the line with any sort of speed.

Jedi Master wrote:

Lonestar wrote:

JK Racing wrote:A 10T would be way to hot for this re-re, but I have seen many drivers use that hot of a motor in the pre-brushless era of cars. Yes, in 2wd buggies & 2wd stadium trucks (I ran a 10T single-fat wire Big Jim motor in my XXTCR for offroad).

trucks, yes! with a smooth throttle finger...

2wdbuggies, mmmmh... that s a LOT of motor even by modern standards! at the time when the Dirtinator was at his peak, i think we were more about 12s and 13s in buggies! in any case for a 1st gen rc10, this is too much

Paul

My XXX-CR ran a 10x2 checkpoint with lipo and was spot on. Against a full hoard of buggy-hating 2WD trucks it won A-main finals on a regular basis. But, I agree that with a 6-gear RC10 it would be way too much! Fun though! Lol!

Big time fun factor...exactly why I'm going to try it in the rere bearing in mind that I am not an irresponsible enthusiast who'll run a race-bred vintage re-re like the gold pan with reckless abandon.

terry.sc wrote:

R/Cat wrote: Out of curiosity, why would Trinity make such a motor based on Kinwald's favorite winds if it wasn't intended for a 2WD car? Is it a 4WD motor?

Just because a motor is designed for a 2wd buggy doesn't mean it's suitable for every 2wd buggy. It's not suitable in the rerelease RC10 in the same way a modern 7.5T brushless is not suitable in a Tamiya Sand Scorcher.
The Dirtinator was released much later than the 6 gear RC10. By the time the Dirtinator motor had been released chassis, battery and tyre technology had developed enough to be able to use the power. For example the RC10s internal gear ratio had changed to allow the use of lower wind motors, to run a 10 turn motor on a 6 gear would mean trying to fit something like a 90+ tooth spur gear on there. You then had the 6 gear having problems coping with the limited power we were using back then, no way could it be reliable with mid 90s power levels. Tyres also had to develop, in the mid 80s we were using tyres that could wheelspin with a Mabuchi 540. Fitting a 10T motor with no slipper would be fun to watch just to see if you could actually get it off the line with any sort of speed.

Excellent point. Well said and something I recognize.

question:

we know the new kit part number is #6001 (which the delivery date keeps getting pushed around on).

do we know if any parts will also be reproduced? I'm assuming some, eventually, as the new kits won't be able to race without some spare rear a-arm mounts, etc.

Just curious if anyone else has seen new part numbers or old part numbers suddenly popping back up in stock, as I haven't.

Thanks,