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Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:25 pm
by GoMachV
For those interested the $30 off coupon works on the amain preorder
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:50 pm
by morrisey0
GoMachV wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:25 pm
For those interested the $30 off coupon works on the amain preorder
And now my short attention span is back!
The $30 coupon covers my state taxes ($28.xx), so that part is cleared. Amain has free shipping over $100, so that is a wash. I had a $50 GC, so that applied. Then redeemed $10 in points. So, $395.XX shipped. Then went with PayPal 4-payments, so $98.XX over the next four months. That is livable.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:54 pm
by RC10superfan
After a lot of thought, not buying the new RC10 4wd. I have the Factory Works 4wd car and love the machined parts on it. Now, when the MIP 4wd re-re arrives, I’m still very interested.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:59 pm
by GoMachV
Now, when the MIP 4wd re-re arrives, I’m still very interested.
Me too! One thing is guaranteed with MIP, it's gonna be made in the USA. That is not optional with Eustace
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:40 pm
by RCveteran
GoMachV wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:59 pm
Now, when the MIP 4wd re-re arrives, I’m still very interested.
Me too! One thing is guaranteed with MIP, it's gonna be made in the USA. That is not optional with Eustace
In Eustace we believe!
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:17 pm
by limestang
GoMachV wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 5:50 pm
I most certainly can always make another run, but you cant beat the price of the new kit. The thing I had been considering is running more of the aluminum pulleys and maybe the front end parts, tensioner etc. Whatever it is, I need it to be something that will sell or else I have just sunk more money into this for no reason, which is why im really struggling to press on. I have a couple other really killer projects coming up, and this would take money away from them, all to support AE selling kits. I kinda dont want to do that anymore, they dont need me and I dont gain from helping them sell kits.
I’m certainly looking forward to your new projects Jeff
- limestang
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:00 am
by RC10th
Let's see if AE comes out with a limited edition pulley key chain
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 6:48 am
by Lowgear
sondeen wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:09 pm
Perhaps the only way for GoMachV to have prevented AE (Thunder Tiger) from "adopting" his design was for GoMachV to have patented his Ten4 with broad claims on the novel improvements he brought to the older conversions. But of course that takes quite a bit of money, and lots more to fight Thunder Tiger in court for patent infringement, and that destroys the whole business case for a small run of bespoke kits. I suppose in decades past the industry was more guided by ethical behavior and collaboration among players (Traxxas excluded).
This was the first thing that crossed my mind when this all unfolded. On one side of the coin, anything you design/invent in which you plan to sell should be patented as you'll have little recourse if another manufacturer steals it. On the other side of the coin, it's likely not financially feasible if you're a small operation. Then even if you do go through all the time, money, and hassle to, good luck fighting it out against a corporations high-powered attorneys if they're the copier as in this case.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:25 am
by Radioflash8
Not to fan the flames or anything, but didn't Thinder Tiger go after FanRC (among others) for producing kits similar to their RC10 re-releases? And now TT is copying other people's designs?
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:31 am
by 1911Colt
Lowgear wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 6:48 am
good luck fighting it out against a corporations high-powered attorneys if they're the copier as in this case.
Having good patent infringement attorneys is a prerequisite for a Chinese manufacturer.
Patent infringement is the backbone of their economy.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:54 am
by XLR8
With a US patent alone, challenging infringement from a corporation based outside the US becomes extremely difficult if not impossible.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:09 am
by RCveteran
Let's not pretend US companies are saints. Those guys in the video with names we all seem to idolize around here are as AE as it gets and paid by Thunder Tiger too. And they seem perfectly comfortable in that space.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:10 am
by GoMachV
Patents are near impossible, way too expensive for a small company. I don't know if anything RC that was patented besides the hydra drive.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:15 am
by HS-YZ250
This looks like what I did for my Pro Se rebuild, to adapt TLR 22 knuckles.
Anyone want to make an LXT-4/JRX Pro SE-4 kit? I've got too much sitting idle to try. lol!
Wonder if I can get those upright/knuckle parts for my gold pan build. Guessing not.
Re: The RC10 4wd (or how AE stole the Ten4 project)
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:22 am
by HS-YZ250
I downloaded their promotional images, if it's of interest to anyone.