Re: Prototype TRF 211X from a factory driver from PH
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:02 pm
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slow_jun wrote:Thank you Sir, for the great info. I'm forcing my friend to Join here and I believe he is just viewing as we type. hahahah...he will chime in. so that he can share to us his experience as a Team driver. As for the Body, it came from the Kit that was provided to them to test bitd, ( see name on body).terry.sc wrote:The TRF 211X was the name given to the buggies made for the team drivers around the world that were never for sale. The Dynastorm was the kit Tamiya sold to everyone else.tamiyadan wrote:there are conflicting reports, either the 211x was the prototype of the dynastorm or it was the prototype for another car that tamiya never built up.
The TRF 211X was produced around the same time as the Dynastorm in 1992, so they came from the same original prototype, but the TRF 211X was constantly developed for the team drivers with many new and updated parts, and AFAIK was never destined to become a production car at any time. It was a marketing exercise to sell Dynastorms, in the same way in 1990 Jamie Booth was officially racing an Egress while actually racing something a prototype Manta Ray that looked a lot like the Top Force that came out several years later.
AFAIK there wasn't a TRF 211X body and others such as Dynastorm, Astute and Madcap were used. But the silver body in the photo at the top of the thread looks like it might be a TRF 211X specific body as it certainly isn't a Dynastorm one.oh the dynastorm body was also correct for the 211X you can grab a TBG reproduction and go from there were some Tamiya TRF decals.
Now, If I can only make him post on here so I don't look stupid claiming that he is my friend.. hahahah. comm'n Bob, post... pleaseeeeeee.....
Welcome Overrv, he's the owner of this nice kit.[/quote]slow_jun wrote:[quote="Overrev
This has nothing to do with Tamiya. There is a plentiful spare support for all those cars, in fact for a good while the most common touring cars at my club were Tamiya TRFs because they were the toughest on track and it was so easy to get spares for them. It was quicker to order Tamiya spares from Hong Kong shops than ordering Xray or Associated spares in the UK and waiting for them to order them in themselves.tamiyadan wrote:parts support always summed up why tamiya is a huge failure in the racing/competition world, there is none.
tamiya is liquidating the 201X buggy now, for under 200$ there never was parts support for the buggy race it once break anything you can just throw it out.
I'm sitting on a bunch of 511X and 501X buggies (yup the shaft and belt drive 4wd cars) because tamiya lied promised parts support 8 years ago never delivered. It was always a track record with tamiya. pretty cars made of unobtainium glass, drive them perfectly or it will never drive again.
The TRF211 was developed right up to a moulded tub version.http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=69011&id=22258 Even during development leading up to the TRF211 Tamiya was using unique machined wishbones on the works Astutes, which were raced using the simpler suspension parts from the Madcap. http://www.tamiyaclub.com/article.asp?id=94Overrev wrote:Tires are off the shelf items (i think). Body seems similar to dyna storm as with the shock absorbers as well. Anything i missed just ask. So, to my question. Is the TRX211 the same as d. storm or super astute? Some might be wondering why i ask this question. Well, I retired from racing in 1994 so i lost track and still wondering what might have happened to TRX211 development.
terry.sc wrote:The TRF211 was developed right up to a moulded tub version.http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=69011&id=22258 Even during development leading up to the TRF211 Tamiya was using unique machined wishbones on the works Astutes, which were raced using the simpler suspension parts from the Madcap. http://www.tamiyaclub.com/article.asp?id=94Overrev wrote:Tires are off the shelf items (i think). Body seems similar to dyna storm as with the shock absorbers as well. Anything i missed just ask. So, to my question. Is the TRX211 the same as d. storm or super astute? Some might be wondering why i ask this question. Well, I retired from racing in 1994 so i lost track and still wondering what might have happened to TRX211 development.
The problem with trying to restore it is that the development was done directly from Japan, and while some parts were shared with the Astute/Madcap and Dynastorm quite a few parts were unique mouldings or even hand machined in very short runs, and decent distributors helped get constantly updated parts out to the racers, and the drivers experiences went straight back to Japan to help develop the parts and cars further. The spares were never commercially available, so it is almost impossible to find genuine TRF211 spares, although Dynastorm spares should be able to be used or modified if necessary, and there are plenty of Dynastorm and the reinforced TR-15T spares on ebay.
It's not something unique to Tamiya, 6 months before the Kyosho Optima was released I was racing a pre-production kit for the UK distributor. I had an accident that broke a wishbone, and it took 3 weeks to get it replaced as I had to order it direct from Ripmax, who then had to get them shipped over from Japan. After that I made sure I had a stock of spares just to make sure I could keep it on the road.
The shocks look like Tamiya's Sleeved dampers, except that instead of light blue they are greyish.DennisM wrote:Never seen those shocks before - are they developed from the Hi-caps.
tamiyadan wrote:welcome
problem is the 211X is a mix of things that existed and didn't exist for public distribution.
some parts came off the super astute, some parts were pre production dyanstorm, and some parts were one off molds.
now if you can find a TR-15 tamiya gas truck it used dynastorm molds but they made the parts out of re-enforced plastic making it much more durable. there are a couple of guys making 3d printed parts and one off production parts for the dynastorm front end to beef it up.
i don't know if they would be a direct fit for the 211x or you will need to do some cutting to make it work.
parts support always summed up why tamiya is a huge failure in the racing/competition world, there is none.
tamiya is liquidating the 201X buggy now, for under 200$ there never was parts support for the buggy race it once break anything you can just throw it out.
I'm sitting on a bunch of 511X and 501X buggies (yup the shaft and belt drive 4wd cars) because tamiya lied promised parts support 8 years ago never delivered. It was always a track record with tamiya. pretty cars made of unobtainium glass, drive them perfectly or it will never drive again.
but for the 211X to get into restoration is going to get expensive fast, first you would have to buy some junker super astute and dynastorm cars for parts and start comparing the prototype to production my guess is a very small number of parts will be direct replacement.
finding another 211X is possible but again expensive. since all the cars used for the 211x are rare and expensive you might just want to sell it off to somebody else and walk away rich.
even the rerelease of the dynastorm is rare and prices for the cars are well over 200$ and over 500$ for kits now.