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Coelacanth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:28 am I wish I had a Rocky so I could see if I could find some way to resolve that bad bump-steer issue. I realize that car's steering setup is not too practical and difficult to modify.

Delorean wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:40 am Thanks Cas22!!

Also I know its been spoken about in here but I haven't actually seen anyone state it exactly. Can anyone confirm that when running the 32 tooth idler, that the 18 tooth pinion fits using the one of the standard motor mount holes with no modification? Cheers

Also if I wanted to run smaller pinions like a 14 or 15 tooth with the 32 idler do they also work without modification?

Cheers

Snaab9-2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:24 am

Delorean wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:40 am Thanks Cas22!!

Also I know its been spoken about in here but I haven't actually seen anyone state it exactly. Can anyone confirm that when running the 32 tooth idler, that the 18 tooth pinion fits using the one of the standard motor mount holes with no modification? Cheers

Also if I wanted to run smaller pinions like a 14 or 15 tooth with the 32 idler do they also work without modification?

Cheers

Check out my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2WztgtojiKq-cuDqxNbByQ. I have lots of videos on this as I had the same question and I couldn't find anything definitive on it either. I made a how to video on fitting the 18 tooth pinion/32 tooth idle gear (no modifications needed), how to fit bigger than a 15 tooth pinion (I also fitted a 17 tooth pinion with a 32 tooth idle gear - this took modifications). For either a 17 or 18 tooth pinion (and likely a 16 tooth was well), you can't install it on the motor before mounting the motor - you have to mount the motor and then install the pinion from the top on the gearbox (the bigger pinions can't fit through the hole in the metal motor mount).

Video on on how to fit 18 tooth pinion:

https://youtu.be/-dR7keGl4vQ

Details on other pinion combinations with the 32 tooth idle gear:

https://youtu.be/5iCRBhjmmfI

My budget 56 mph setup (pre custom ball diff):

https://youtu.be/_HamgQrZVOk

If you are running a brushed motor, I would avoid the 32 tooth idle gear with a 17 or 18 tooth pinion. I found that it was slow to accelerate (slower than I expected) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-uYe3XMFtI and it got my vintage ESC really hot really quickly. With a brushless setup however, it is the only way I would run it as brushless setups need tall gear to take advantage of their torque (without tall gear, they really are not all that fast).

As far as running the 32 tooth idle gear with a 14 or 15 tooth pinion, according to the Rocky's manual you can (I never tried it). My second video link above has info on that/screen shots from the Rocky's manual that details this combination.

If you could GPS your car with the current setup and then with whatever combo you end up going with, I would be really interested in seeing the difference and I neglected to GPS mine with the stock gearing. With a 15t brushed motor I am guess it did in the low 20 mph range with the stock gear (I think with the stock 22T Mega Motor it would have been in the high teens and with a Le Mans 05 stock probably closer to 16 mph... though a bit slower on NiCD (I would love to see data but I can't get anyone to GPS their cars!). With the 17 tooth pinion and a 32 tooth idle gear it went 28 mph. With my brushless setup and the 17/32 tooth setup, it went 37 mph. Then with an 18/32 setup, it went 41 and eventually 42 mph!. All of this was with a 4200 mAh 2S LIPO. Then with a $13 2,200 mAh 3S battery, it went 56 mph. No doubt with a better 3S it would be right around 60 mph (which is just stupid fast for a Raider).

Delorean wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:51 am

Snaab9-2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:24 am

Delorean wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:40 am Thanks Cas22!!

Also I know its been spoken about in here but I haven't actually seen anyone state it exactly. Can anyone confirm that when running the 32 tooth idler, that the 18 tooth pinion fits using the one of the standard motor mount holes with no modification? Cheers

Also if I wanted to run smaller pinions like a 14 or 15 tooth with the 32 idler do they also work without modification?

Cheers

Check out my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2WztgtojiKq-cuDqxNbByQ. I have lots of videos on this as I had the same question and I couldn't find anything definitive on it either. I made a how to video on fitting the 18 tooth pinion/32 tooth idle gear (no modifications needed), how to fit bigger than a 15 tooth pinion (I also fitted a 17 tooth pinion with a 32 tooth idle gear - this took modifications). For either a 17 or 18 tooth pinion (and likely a 16 tooth was well), you can't install it on the motor before mounting the motor - you have to mount the motor and then install the pinion from the top on the gearbox (the bigger pinions can't fit through the hole in the metal motor mount).

Video on on how to fit 18 tooth pinion:

https://youtu.be/-dR7keGl4vQ

Details on other pinion combinations with the 32 tooth idle gear:

https://youtu.be/5iCRBhjmmfI

My budget 56 mph setup (pre custom ball diff):

https://youtu.be/_HamgQrZVOk

If you are running a brushed motor, I would avoid the 32 tooth idle gear with a 17 or 18 tooth pinion. I found that it was slow to accelerate (slower than I expected) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-uYe3XMFtI and it got my vintage ESC really hot really quickly. With a brushless setup however, it is the only way I would run it as brushless setups need tall gear to take advantage of their torque (without tall gear, they really are not all that fast).

As far as running the 32 tooth idle gear with a 14 or 15 tooth pinion, according to the Rocky's manual you can (I never tried it). My second video link above has info on that/screen shots from the Rocky's manual that details this combination.

If you could GPS your car with the current setup and then with whatever combo you end up going with, I would be really interested in seeing the difference and I neglected to GPS mine with the stock gearing. With a 15t brushed motor I am guess it did in the low 20 mph range with the stock gear (I think with the stock 22T Mega Motor it would have been in the high teens and with a Le Mans 05 stock probably closer to 16 mph... though a bit slower on NiCD (I would love to see data but I can't get anyone to GPS their cars!). With the 17 tooth pinion and a 32 tooth idle gear it went 28 mph. With my brushless setup and the 17/32 tooth setup, it went 37 mph. Then with an 18/32 setup, it went 41 and eventually 42 mph!. All of this was with a 4200 mAh 2S LIPO. Then with a $13 2,200 mAh 3S battery, it went 56 mph. No doubt with a better 3S it would be right around 60 mph (which is just stupid fast for a Raider).

Wow awesome mate, thanks for the super-informative post

Cheers!