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Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:22 pm
by Phin
3 degrees total or 3 degrees per side? I thought B3 hub carriers were 0 degree but I could be wrong. Are your arm mounts marked as 0 degree?

If the hub carriers themselves are 1.5 or 3.0 degree per side you can use 1.5 degree or 3 degree arm mounts and switch the B3 hub carriers from left to right and right to left. That way they'd cancel each other out and give you 0 degrees of toe.

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:34 pm
by bats
To tell you the truth, I don't really know what have at this point, lol

I think I may have angled hub carriers and arm mounts.

What''s the best way to determine if and by how much they are angled?

There does not appear to be any markings other than "L" and "R".

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:38 pm
by Phin
Original 0 and 3 degree arm mounts would be marked with a number. If your arm mounts don't have any markings they're either 1.5 degree mounts if they're original parts or 3 degree if they're re-re parts.

Simplest way to see if your arm mounts have toe in is to do something like what Niki does in this post: http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=33726&start=30#p391518

In the pic the black left side mount is an original 1.5 degree mount and the white right side arm mount is a re-re 3 degree mount.

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:33 pm
by bats
I swapped the hub carriers so that the right is on the left and vice-versa.

I still have toe-in so I guess that means that my arm mounts are 3 degrees.

In any event, the problem has been resolved.

Thanks Phin!

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:50 pm
by bats
I also noticed that my rear hex adaptor does not seat all the way in the wheel hub.

It appears as if this is deu to the axle stepping up for 3/8" to 1/4".

Has anyone else experienced this?

If I drill out the hole in the wheel to 1/4" I can get the hex adaptor to seat properly.

Thoughts?

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:49 pm
by jwscab
if you don't have 1/4" adapters, yes, they are probably for 3/16" axles and won't have the taper. either drill out the adapters or convert the axles to 3/16" is your best bet.

there are some hex adapters for 1/4" but they are pretty wide, for converting rc10 axles to the older style hex wheels like the old kyosho and hpi offset, etc.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/associated-RC10-hex-adapter-for-RC10-1-4-axles-/331568163977?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d3300ac89

there is also these:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXN057&P=ML

that you can modify to fit your needs.

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:08 pm
by bats
Let me clarify.

The hex adaptor fits the axle.

The HPI vintage wheel does not slide far enough on axle because the axle goes from 3/16" to 1/4".

Thus the hex adaptor does nut fit all of the way into the back of the wheel.

http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/dennisbaxter2/media/IMG_5449_zps8em8lopc.jpg.html
http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/dennisbaxter2/media/IMG_5445_zpscmxevq1n.jpg.html

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:35 pm
by Phin
If the hex went into the wheel more would you have to chop off the last camber link hole?

BTW what dogbones did you settle on?

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:48 pm
by jwscab
I gotcha. moving to 3/16" axles would allow you to use a very slim hex adapter and slide the wheel farther inboard.

Those are b3 rear hubs so it's just a stub axle and bearings to get you to 3/16".

also, if that runs the wheel into the hub, just lower the camber link on the hub and bulkhead and trim the hub to fit inside the wheel.

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:08 pm
by bats
I have not locked down on a set of dogbanes yet, lol

I am waiting on a set of Tamiya 32mm to arrive.

If they don't work, I found a set of adjustable dog bones.

And if they doesn't work, I am going to cut a pair to size and solder back together with a brass tube.

Oh wait, I have one more solution. I ordered 2mm and 3mm brass couplings w/ grub screws.

Yes, those are B3 hub carriers.

As for the hubs, cutting of the last link and repositioning the mounting hole on the bulkhead was the route I was going to take.

Then I will be able to fit the 31mm wheel in the rear.

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:02 pm
by bats
The Tamiya dog bones came in today but unfortunately, they are a bit short.

I am going to try the adjustable dog bones and see how they work out.

http://www.rcmart.com/active-hobby-str195-tt0201-universal-joint2934mm-p-58380.html?cPath=595_744_1585

Will Tamiya axles fit my DS?

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:46 pm
by Phin
Nope. Tamiyas use metric bearings.

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:58 pm
by bats
Phin wrote:Nope. Tamiyas use metric bearings.
That figures, lol

I guess it's on to plan C!

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:45 pm
by bats

Re: How to decrease rear track on a Dual Sport?

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:02 pm
by jwscab
doesn't look too bad. you could probably limit the range of motion if what you show in the pics is binding.

the other thing, that I just remembered, if you find some other rear hub carrier, say from a different touring car, that raises the axle in the hub, you will end up with less bone plunge. If the axles and diff outdrive are on the same centerline with the arm parallel to the ground, the bone will essentially stay in the same place in the drive cup over the range of motion.

maybe rear hub carriers from a tc3 or tc4.