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OK eary Edingers have the flat cups in rear when did the early Edingers go to the same cups all the way around I have seen Cars with all the parts as Davids but with same cups in back what vintage are those or are they early cars that along the way owners have converted over.. Any one got a pair of flat nylons hangn around with no place to go

This is what I've learned so far by looking at eBay, internet and on this forum:

- Very early Edinger:

a) fiberglass battery straps
b) large rear shock cups
c) e-clip on the bottom axle of the 6-gear tranny instead of a bolt
d) shock pistons with a slot on the outside instead of drilled holes
e) "Goodyear" tires all around or same ones with no markings at all (most probably from AYK early models)
f) diamond-shaped wing buttons
g) double servo-saver
h) soft clear plastic gear cover
i) light gold anodizing all around
j) shock joints with smaller OD than later "Cadillac" ones (they don't protrude from the top hexagonal shape of the body)
k) Edinger address on the box, stock motor and manuals, side of the box is stamped instead of having a glued printed paper

- new built example (courtesy of slotcarrod): http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8017
- another one (no Goodyear tires though, courtesy of lowrydesign): http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8774&start=0
- used example (courtesy of Y'ernat Al): http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9066

- Early Edinger:

a) plastic battery straps
b) non-slotted shock cups all around
c) bolt on the bottom axle of the 6-gear tranny
d) drilled holes in shock pistons
e) possibly Goodyear tires
f) diamond-shaped wing buttons
g) double servo-saver
h) hard clear plastic gear cover
i) light gold anodizing all around
j) shock joints with smaller OD than later "Cadillac" ones
k) Edinger address on the box, stock motor and manuals, side of the box is stamped instead of having a glued printed paper

Mine here is a good example, it's new built and most probably 100% original (the big mistery is the Cadillac manual I got with it)

- Late Edinger:

a) plastic battery straps
b) non-slotted shock cups all around
c) bolt on the bottom axle of the 6-gear tranny
d) drilled holes in shock pistons
e) different front and rear tires, some with no markings and some with the AE writings, no Goodyear tires
f) droplet-shaped wing buttons
g) single servo-saver
h) soft glossy plastic gear cover
i) light gold anodizing all around
j) shock joints with smaller OD than later "Cadillac" ones
k) Edinger address on the box, stock motor and manuals, side of the box is stamped instead of having a glued printed paper

I think Scr8p's car qualifies pretty well here, http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=254

This is just an attempt at classifying early RC10's, if you notice anything missing or wrong, just let me know!

Now back to my never ending quest to make an accurate box-art car...
The receiver and ESC lot arrived the other day and I must say I'm very happy with the purchase. The only thing that is complete, in good condition and probably still working is precisely that very first Novak ESC that, by the way, still doesn't appear on Novak's web site timeline though I think Tadracket sent them pictures of the one he had. This one is the in fact second one I've ever seen in more than 6 years of part hunting so I guess they quickly switched to the Novak 1.

Here it is partially cleaned; I will open it later on to eliminate every bit of vintage dust, glue and dirt.




I also noticed a few differences between the "box-art" ESC and the Novak "number 1":

Let's first have a look at the external aspects. While the "box-art" one has no number, the Novak 1 has a sticker on it and is fitted with black anodized heat sinks while the "box-art" one has silver ones with light touches of gold ano (pretty obvious so far)



Now some of you may smartly think "ok, I'll just find a Novak 1, peel that sticker off and dip the heat sinks into oven cleaner and call it a day", but that will not do...

Indeed, try to peel the Novak 1 sticker and this is what you will find underneath:



What is more, the heat sinks also show a main difference: the central bar that holds the fins together on the "box-art" ESC has a smaller OD than the later black heat sinks:



Finally, while the orange plastic cases appear to be the same at first glance, here as well we can note two main differences: the "box-art" ESC has slotted screw heads while the Novak 1 has Philips screw heads and the slot for the wires on the "box-art" one is not totally trimmed compared to the Novak 1:




Sorry if I may look like a scrutinizer but I think this is part of the R/C history and just wanted to share the info. I hope you enjoyed it!

Let's also have a look at the inside, the top one is the "box-art" ESC in both pictures. Both circuits appear to be exactly the same, while some components show some slight color differences... It would be nice if a old Novak dude could tell us the real differences. I may send them an email with pictures so that they could upload them on their timeline and maybe learn a bit more about the quick production changes.

Asso_man! wrote: j) shock joints with smaller OD than later "Cadillac" ones (they don't protrude from the top hexagonal shape of the body)

By shock joints do you mean the ball cups? If so, the original 'half-round/half-hex' type were used even on the early Team Cars and very early 7001 trucks. I believe the actual change to full hex occurred in 1992.

Very nice writeup, and your Novak autopsy is great!

-g

templeofspeed wrote:

Asso_man! wrote: j) shock joints with smaller OD than later "Cadillac" ones (they don't protrude from the top hexagonal shape of the body)

By shock joints do you mean the ball cups? If so, the original 'half-round/half-hex' type were used even on the early Team Cars and very early 7001 trucks. I believe the actual change to full hex occurred in 1992.

Very nice writeup, and your Novak autopsy is great!

-g

Nope, I was refering to the "sealing" clear plastic o-rings between the shock cap and body, but you're of course right about the ball cups Puff, puff, puff...

Ahhh, shock gaskets. In 'our' language these are joints:

well, at least we stay in the smoking domain FYI in 'my language' (French) these are also called joints

In the end, I'm not so sure of what I have here, it definitely doesn't look like the one Tad found a long time ago which DOES look like the exact "box-art" ESC (3 wires coming out of the case instead of 4, three trim holes instead of 2, different heat sinks). Another early production mistery I would really like to solve...

Great info Asso_man!, Thank you!

That wing needs some extra colour.

http://www.rc10talk.com/download/file.php?id=15897&mode=view

slotcarrod wrote:Great info Asso_man!, Thank you!

That wing needs some extra colour.

http://www.rc10talk.com/download/file.php?id=15897&mode=view

Well, I still don't know whether this is information or disinformation as I now have no clue about the Novak ESC I recently bought.

Oh and that car is not mine, it used to be Tadracket's one and he sold it to a member several months ago.

Congratulation for your very rare RC10, Asso-man!.
Thx also to make me learn more about RC10 history eatch time I read your posts.

Darnit....

I took pictures of the wrong building..

I got 1851 Edinger...I forgot to bring the address with me!!
In hindsight, I did see the right complex however, and I can see why they moved.

1928 was across the street and down 25 feet. TINY!!!

I thought 1851 was small enough, and should be it..
and the other buildings across the street (Correct address) were too small to possibly have made
much of anything in volume...no disrespect to the businesses there now, I am sure they are doing fine.



In any case, here is the street sign on the corner, note the block#

Off of CA State Route 55, exit "Edinger Ave" go west 1 block, its on the south side.

Enjoy

To add to your Novak puzzle Assoman..I did buy a Novak esc for my Edinger (http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9066. I do remember completing the original build with the resistor sc included in the kit, but I replaced it relatively soon with a Novak purchased from the same Costa Mesa hs I had got the car from. It must have been a matter of only months, because I don't remember running the resistor much at all. My Novak has the Number 1 sticker. I doesn't have the plastic flap in the way of the wires. The back of it actually has no screws, the black tape holds it together (I remember the hs sales guy recommending I zip tie it to the shock tower to help keep it together). And the heat sink is black with the larger internal barell.

Upshot - A novak 1 could be considered "Period Correct" for an edinger, but for the boxart Prototype, I see how you have to go fro the earlier Novak shown. As far as the nitty gritty deatails of the early Novaks, that company was pretty small at that point, building stuff for racers and those with aspirations (like my 14 yr old self). It wouldn't suprise me that the early esc's show a bit of variation with subtle design/manufacturning variations, even among the same "Model".

I'm moving on with my restoration, I'll keep ya posted.

Does anyone know what the colors were(stripes) or has a color shot of the car on the back of the directions with the checker pattern.