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Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:24 am
by Seabass
I have been working on our kids bathroom all day. Wife was watching some of those remodeling shows and decided we should spruce up the bath room. Bought all new faucets, lighting fixtures, paint, crown molding, shower fixtures, etc.
$850 later I start working on the bath room. Got the painting done, all fixtures installed, and started the crown molding
I ruined 2 $40 peices of crown trying to figure out how to cut the boards. Even after I watched the demos online, I was still screwing up the cuts. I finally got the cuts right after wasting two perfectly good pieces of 12 ft crown.
Have any of you ever cut this stuff before? It is a total pain in the ass. At least hanging the boards is no sweat. My finishing nail gun does quite the job.
Well time for bed, to recharge for the final push in the morning (and another trip to Lowes for more molding)
Jake
Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:39 am
by RichieRich
Cutting crown molding is a pain in the ass. The angles can be crazy, especially of your wall aren't exactly 90 degrees. They never are. LOL!
Here's what they never tell you on those shows: Removing the old stuff is a BITCH.
For example, when I replaced the faucet in the kids bathroom, some idiot used about 5 pounds of plumber's putty to fasten the old one to the sink. I had to lay on my back at a weird angle to dremel that crap out. Why a dremel? Because there's literally no room under the sink for anything other type of tool.
For molding, I used the corner block type so basically all you have to do is measure and cut the boards the right length.
Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:21 am
by treehugger
yes it 31.6 degrees and 33.9 the crown lies flat on its back and the cut should be perfect
crown is easy once you mastered the angles needed is it plaster or mdf?

i will check tomorow but the miter block is easy to pick up but using the right angles is quick practice on the bits you messed up on and you will get
good luck
Paul
Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:32 am
by lpddpd
Well we found out that even when you measure out perfectly you have to account for how much material the saw blade actually takes out. Seven pieces, all cut, primered, painted and nailed up. The angles were perfect, just a 1/4 inch between each one. Doh!
Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:26 am
by Halgar
I can't tell you how many thousands of feet of crown I've put up over the years. The EASIEST way to do crown is to cut yourself sample blocks for the corners, both right and left sides, and if you're doing inside and outside corners, make sure you have a set of blocks for each. Make sure you mark them "left" and "right". I'm going to tweak your brain a little bit here, when you mark the blocks, your instinct is going to tell you that as you're holding them up in the corner the one in your left hand will be the "left" block, likewise for the right. That would be wrong because when you're working with a stick of molding, left and right become reversed.
Once you've got the blocks, there's no guessing about how to set the saw, you just set the sample block on the saw and set the saw to it. Easy-peezy!
When it comes time for cutting, ALWAYS measure your long points. Cut the line exactly or just a female pubic hair over, because it's easier to trim a touch more than it is to find a lumber stretcher to lengthen that piece you just whacked short.
You can custom fit the corners using your sample blocks to find the perfect angle, or just set the miter at 45 degrees and cut it then caulk the joint when you're done. You'll be caulking the joints when you're finished anyway, but you still want as tight a joint as possible.
Another way to do it is to cut one side so that it butts into the adjoining wall, then cope cut the mate. To do this you cut the angle, then hand cut it with a coping saw following the pattern cut into the face with 3 to 5 degrees of back bevel so that the face butts tightly to the one that ran long. ALWAYS cut the cope first before cutting the length so that you can get it the way you want it - it may take several tries. Once the cope fits properly, then measure and cut the length to butt into the adjoining wall.
Third option - call a trim guy, he'll have it done in about in about the same amount of time it took you to read this.

Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:56 am
by Seabass
I did just that, Once I figured out how the saw needed to be, I did cut two test peices. Each time I make my cut, I do exactly that, place the test piece in the saw and set the saw for the test piece. It has finally started to sink in (a little).
I am off to Lowes to get more crown. Thanks for the tips guys.
Jake
Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:56 am
by Halgar
bigjeepzz wrote:I did just that, Once I figured out how the saw needed to be, I did cut two test peices. Each time I make my cut, I do exactly that, place the test piece in the saw and set the saw for the test piece. It has finally started to sink in (a little).
I am off to Lowes to get more crown. Thanks for the tips guys.
Jake
Until I figured that little ditty out, like you, I'd whack the wrong cut. I actually had a permanent set of sample blocks so that I didn't have to bother making new ones every time I did a trim job.
Just wait until you try to cut chair rail, that one's really gonna mess with your mind.

Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:22 pm
by mikea96
Definetely the easiest ways for inside corners is to butt one piece flush to the wall then cut 45 on other piece then cope the piece with the 45 as most houses dont have perfect inside corners then your inside corners will look perfect everytime.
Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:17 pm
by Seabass
Well the bath room is done. Hung new mirrors just a bit ago. Still have to hang a few other pieces but the major part is done. Once I had the test pieces, making the cuts were a breeze. The bath room looks great and the wife is happy (thank god)
Jake
Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:23 pm
by Halgar
bigjeepzz wrote:The bath room looks great and the wife is happy (thank god)
Jake
Until she realizes how bad the rest of the house looks in comparison ...

Re: Remodeling bathroom, UGH!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:28 pm
by RichieRich
Halgar wrote:bigjeepzz wrote:The bath room looks great and the wife is happy (thank god)
Jake
Until she realizes how bad the rest of the house looks in comparison ...

LOL! Right? Once it starts, it's like a chain reaction accident.