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I'm a bit uncertain--when you see a car's weight on a box or website, for example the Durango DEX210 kit on Tower Hobbies--what all does the listed weight include? Just the roller chassis & body with no ESC, motor, servo, battery?

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCBXL&P=ML

It seems to me that 1650 grams for pretty much a skeleton chassis is very heavy.

Consider another example, the DEX210 RTR, also from Tower, which includes a motor & ESC, radio components--everything but a battery--but is listed at 1567 grams.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCLZD**&P=ML

So when you see a weight listed for a given kit or chassis, what does that typically include?

i don't know, i've never noticed advertised weights.

that being said durango's are heavy.

I always thought it was the "what's in the box" weight. How can they give you a vehicle weight without knowing what components you are adding to it. They can always estimate, I guess.