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Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:46 pm
by Grunger73
Merry Christmas
I'm in the process of restoring an old Schumacher CAT XLS and I'm missing the whole rear end (diff, shocks wishbones etc). I found a diff case on eBay but I'm unsure as to which model the diff case belongs to.
I've attached some links to the pics
http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r491/grunger73/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpse3pf4jqt.jpeg
http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r491/grunger73/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgr9kctjn.jpeg
http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r491/grunger73/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpspme2biub.jpeg
Any help is greatly appreciated
Thank you,
Shawn

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:03 am
by terry.sc
The pair of holes at the top of the rear of the gearbox sides identify it as XLS gearbox. The XLS lowered the rear upper wishbone mounts.

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:49 pm
by Grunger73
terry.sc wrote:The pair of holes at the top of the rear of the gearbox sides identify it as XLS gearbox. The XLS lowered the rear upper wishbone mounts.
Excellent. Thank you for the explanation.

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:54 pm
by tamiyadan
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Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:58 pm
by Grunger73
My spare diff case has 2 holes on the right hand side and one hole on the left, in the correct position for the XLS . It's some sort of aftermarket carbon fibre . The one on the right is a normal metal type. There seems to be so many variations of parts that it makes it hard to know what is correct and what is not.

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:44 am
by Peakey
I the XLS and later Procat had side plates with both the upper and lower holes in, true original SWB CAT had plates with just the upper ones in. So yours Dan maybe an early XLS that they just put the lower holes that was needed in?

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:00 pm
by tamiyadan
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Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:50 pm
by Grunger73
tamiyadan wrote:all i can confirm is my car was built as it was from the kit.
The buggy is very original down to the UK dirt still stuck to it.
I replaced a few parts on it like the body and tires and some broken parts i did a mechanical rebuild on it but otherwise i left it as a survivor with some war wounds. has the front oneway, etc. for a cleaner look i used a O-ring in place of a rubber band for the front crash foldback suspension.
Would you happen to have a pic of the front end with the o-ring installed?

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:46 am
by tamiyadan
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Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:07 pm
by Grunger73
That does look a lot better than the standard setup. Thanks for the pics.

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:13 pm
by DennisM
Those I´ve raced against back then, used three 2mm round o-rings. If one snapped You´d still be able to finish.

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:16 pm
by Grunger73
DennisM wrote:Those I´ve raced against back then, used three 2mm round o-rings. If one snapped You´d still be able to finish.
Smart. I don't think I'll have to worry about that tho. I couldn't imagine putting mine through anything strenuous enough to break one of these. It's going to be run up and down the driveway a few times before retiring on a shelf. Just too expensive to repair if you're even lucky enough to find the parts.

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:25 am
by tamiyadan
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Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:02 pm
by Danf1275
All mine run with 3 O-rings. I personally think crashback is great - never broken a front wishbone or hub.

Re: Need help identifying CAT diff case

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:27 pm
by Groomi
Peakey wrote:I the XLS and later Procat had side plates with both the upper and lower holes in, true original SWB CAT had plates with just the upper ones in. So yours Dan maybe an early XLS that they just put the lower holes that was needed in?
My understanding is the following:
SWB and XL had single hole in upper position.
XLS had both holes.
Procat had just the lower hole.

Knowing Schumacher production back then, it wouldn't surprise me if either a few XLS's were shipped with Procat plates or vice-versa.

Regarding hole sizes on XLS sideplates, I've come across some sideplates with both holes the same and others with the lower one slightly larger. The XLS has an M3 threaded rod through that hole rather than a self tapping screw and it is much easier to assemble if the hole is a tiny bit larger than the others. I've definitely seem some DIY enlargements, but perhaps it's possible later production models might have had larger holes.