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Re: Help needed to identify 1/12th body and very rare parts.

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Thanks Paul. :)
I think it is an untypical body as according to result tables and race reports most drivers used either a Prophet, M20, Porsche 917, Schkee or TOJ that time. Two remaining bodies mentioned once were a Lola and a Dome, both being available also from Spectron but no pics available. So maybe it´s one of them.
But also it´s possible the body isn´t same age as the car and electronics and a much younger one was used here.

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Wow, this is all real interesting - thanks to all for help and comments.

It really does look to be a relative of that Specton Schkee...

I think I'm gonna make a copy myself... Can't be that hard... can it..!?

As for the other bits and bobs, I am formulating some ideas of what I actually have...

I've found and identified so far a selection of parts from early...
Schumacher inc. Liveaxles, qr rear wheels, battery clamps, front wheels, diff, rear shock and chassis posts.
Gemini inc. Red and black front wheels, black rear wheels and probable axle tube.
Associated chassis plates, motorblocks and front susp.

This is all good... I think I'll have to start another thread just to tell the story...

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Thought Terry SC would like to see this close up....

Anyone any thoughts on what this would have been based on..?
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That definately has a whiff of home built about it, it's almost as if someone was trying to base it on the Demon MF1, in fact it looks like the rear shock and red plastic mount are from a Demon MF1.

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Rear shock and mount are from the Demon car for sure.

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Re: Help needed to identify 1/12th body and very rare parts.

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This is the axle tube I had in mind: part nr 3 in the drawing.
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The car in the drawing is a Gemini SLX by the company S.G. .

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Not really, this is what a lot of people think but it´s not 100% true. The original Gemini SLX is a British car, later this design was sold to SG. Both versions are not exactly the same, several small differences. The curious thing is, the drawing was also sold with the SG kit but showing actually the original car. More informations here http://classicrc.wordpress.com/1-12/gemini/gemini-slx/

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If I understood the text on the german rc-museum site correctly; Greeno was the SG team driver in the UK

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True and not, also that museum has the SG car, not the real Gemini car. In the beginning Greeno was a PB driver, later he did sign with SG. That´s also when he sold the SLX design and all production stuff to SG. There are two versions of the SLX, the original version of Greeno himself and the newer version then sold by SG. The SG version has a lot of small changes, if you are not used to these cars both will look very similar but in reality very few parts are 100% the same. Currently you will find the SG version at my website, later there will be also the original version with closeups so you can see the differences.

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Like Gunther says, Phil Greeno designed the Gemini cars. The SLX was the last of these, the original was the Gemini, and then the Gemini SL. At the end of his production he sold the design to SG and they became SG Gemini SLX.

Here's a pic of my Phil Greeno Gemini SLX. It's an early or pre-production with an AE front end rather than the later 3 bolt.

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Phil Greeno designed, made and started selling the Gemini SLX in February 1982. The car came with an Associated diff and modified Associated front end, the underside of the blocks was machined to give more caster, just like the Schumacher XL front end. I don't recall ever seeing the SG style front end on a Greeno car. Phil Greeno was a PB team driver at the time.

At the start of 1983 Phil Greeno Models took over UK distribution of SG 1/8th cars and Phil Greeno stopped racing 1/12th to concentrate on 1/8th on road. The SLX design was sold to SG and as we had moved onto carpet by then Greeno didn't make a new car but started importing the Delta Phaser instead.
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j.costick wrote:Thought Terry SC would like to see this close up....

Anyone any thoughts on what this would have been based on..?
Those rear blocks definitely look like a production item, the better view helps. Material used would point to one of the Japanese manufacturers, but the blocks match nothing I know of. The axle tube is an addition though, there is a countersink screw hole above for a cross tube brace and the axle tube has been added to adapt it to fit standard axle bearings rather than the larger original bearings.

Rear shock and mount is from a Demon MF-1. Top deck mounts are Schumacher C-car posts. Front end being in black is likely to be the Schumacher version of Associated arms, they were machined on the bottom for more caster then dyed black.
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great thread, a very good read indeed :wink:

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It's been said here and on other sites that this type of car disappeared when carpet was enterd. Why's that actually?

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The Lexan cars were designed for very low grip conditions so have a lot of flex in the chassis, no other chassis type has flex like this. The problem just is, such chassis don´t work for carpet racing as this generates a lot more grip so you need a much stiffer chassis. For this reason the lexan cars were replaced then with fibreglass cars in about 1983.

Anyway the Lexan cars are some of my favourite pancars.

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