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Re: Hirobo Bearcat SS - Let's start something else...

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Dadio wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:06 pm Peanut oil is meant to help soften rubber but I've never tried it myself .
I was said general purpose WD40 works well for this : soak the tire in WD40, and massage it with gloved finger...
After a few minutes, it seems it gains flexibility... Too early to tell... The rear are far too much depleted to be usable, but i tried anyway. We'll see...
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Looking at the state of the tires, I had nothing to loose to try things (dimension from the Sand Super of Kyosho Scorpion 2014 are ok for both fronts and rears, which means I have a plan B).

Started the process with some general purpose WD40 applied in and out of the tires and some massaging so they absorb it. Then I decided it would worth to remove the paint and put the tires for 48hours in a glanzer bath (the same I used for the bonnet and roll cage). Remove the tires from the bath today, and rinse them with hot water and rubbed to remove the traces of glue.

Here is the result so far:
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Tires have gain some flexibility (a lot compared to when I started this). Once dried, I used some cyano to insert in the cuts (one of the front tires had a an issue on that aspect).

Next: another wash with hot water and soap, and then once dried another round of massaging with WD40... It seems it is going to work...
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I rubbed a bit of silicon grease on tyres. All I can say is it doesn't seem to have done any harm.

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I'm expecting some ball bearings delivery this afternoon. I should be able to start rebuilding it.
Here is the plate after the cleaning operations. Tires are still in progress, but I'm not sure I'll use them at this stage.
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I started the shocks, as I don't have the bearings yet for the gearbox...
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This step is done. The shocks are basically very similar in essence to Tamiya CVA, but the springs are way too hard...
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I may change them later anyway for a set of four (Tomcat setup) based on Kyosho legendary series shocks (but not now).
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I finally got my bearings... I will have to get 4 MF106 for the rear axles tomorrow, but in the meantime, I can start.

Step one, put the gearbox together... I had to get help regarding the screws to be used as they are not documented in the manual (the car originally came with the gearbox assembled, and the screws are not even defined in exploded views). You may note that I used a new Motor plate. The original was bent, I unbent it, but it is still a bit bent, resulting in chassis torsion. Because of this, I decided to use a new one.
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The Beaarcat SS manual doesn't really defined the way to adjust timing belt tightening. With the Tomcat and Bearcat, there was a set of parts (Hirobo TM-28) allowing for precise tightening of the timing belt depending of the pinion used. And by the way, it explains why there was two holes on the side of the slot for motor fixation.
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The belt cover takes place. It's a new part again. I had to get one to confirm some of my assumptions : my Bearcat SS came with a bent motor plate. The belt cover was bent on it's under side. I model it without the bent as I thought it was coming from the bent motor plate. The new one confirmed my assumption was right.
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Next is the upper arm plate. I simply turn it so the top side looks nice (there is marks on the bottom side, they were on the upper side before).
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Rear arms assembly. You may note if you know the car that I did not assembled the carriers due to the missing bearing I'll get tomorrow.
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And they joined the chassis... And here I just noticed a half millimeter discrepency in my model for the chassis, as the distance between the two fixation holes is reduced from .5 millimeter from the rear fixation holes which result in a bit of toe-in on the rear side (I will have to correct this).
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The upper arm plate joins the chassis, just before the gearbox. I added the upper arms here, because there is no way they get in place without removing the belt cover (I'm not sure the guy who have written the manual build the car :-) )
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I added the rear shock tower next, before my wife asked me to free the table...
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Next steps will be tomorrow, hopefully...
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That's looking very clean :!: Beautiful photos and well documented , as a professional mechanic you often wonder if the person writing the instructions has ever worked on a car :lol:
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I had hope to find some MF106K bearings today thanks to a friend at the club, but it did not work... I've ordered some. In the meantime, i've taken bearings 6x15x5 for the rear axle carrier to continue this build...
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The wobble is definitely present, and the MF106K bearings will allow me see the difference when they arrive (mid November).

I quickly installed the carriers and upper arms and went back to the instruction manual sequence... I did not succeed to get the dog bones as clean as the rest...
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Which means next come the rear shocks.
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Rear end is almost finished, which means we go on the front. The weight balance is clearly at the rear end. On the front we start by preparing arms support and front arms and we assemble them.
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and they join the chassis. two screws are used at this step for each side and it will be completed with a third one when adding the bumper at next step. I had to change the bumper screws by metric ones as the thread was dead on the left side...
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After the bumper comes the monoshock. I just noticed than I have missing damper bushings and it explains some issues I had with the rear joints while I put the rear shocks in the model. I temporarily used nuts to solve this.
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Next is the front uprights... with some M2 balls... I kept those like this for one single reason : I'll put an old vintage servo with palstic head, and it's probably better for its survival :-)
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Next is to put all of this in place. The tie rods will require some work : they are too short, I'll have to replace them...
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And comes the steering servo, and the very bulky servo saver, installed on top of the servo horn...
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The servo is installed under the top deck with double face tape and some plastic collars. I installed the receiver as well.
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And all of this joins the chassis, in which I installed the ESC. The motor is not plugged yet, I need to install some connectors at the end of the cables...
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And we are almost there : it's now time to get the side of the roll cage mounted... Ilooking at the screws, I decided to use M3 screws for the roll cage as a mix of self tap 2.6 and 3 was used previously.
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The roll cage is the last part to assemble...
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And we have a Bearcat SS...
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Tires are not glued, they will be changed once I get the proper one. And the setting of the front is not good as I need to replace the tie rods... But it looks promising.

I will need to put all the stuff remaining in a small box. To be able to take benefit of the current big box to start another project (Zerda :-) )
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I shared recently my files with @optimaforever and he applied some of his secret magic :-)
Here is a few pics he allowed me to share with you
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On the real side, I still need to source a set of front tires, and some metal parts to replace the tierods to finish this car...
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I looked at the pictures before reading the text and I was just thinking "he's been taking some tips from Ryo" .
Looks awesome as all his renders do , a credit to you're work too obviously . 8)
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Great work, should have a BOM in the bag.

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Having virtual images rendered from the work you made on Fusion 360 is actually great (nb: he is not only working on Fusion360, he added some magic in other tools). And he allowed me as well to spot some mistakes which are now corrected on Thingiverse as well... The fact is : this time I've not printed the car in full. Having a second eye to check the work is super helpful, as he has looked at angles I did not. And he found one basic mistake on the roll cage. (it should work with the first version just with the flexibility of the printed part, but it is much better now)...

And if Ryo can complete the Bearcat SS to make a Tomcat model (not sure for the Bearcat, because the more I look at the three models, I have no love for the Bearcat), it would be even better :-)
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As the Bearcat SS is not over yet, the box is not available yet to start something else... I'm not going to create a new thread to the Zerda until I actually tear down the car, and it means I need to have the box free for this...

But since the wheels are in a bag, next to my desk and i had a few minutes while some stuff was printing, I took measurements and...
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The I modeled the tire as well. It's pretty simple, because it is quite similar to the one of the Bearcat SS in the design, except it is narrower...
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At the end, I have a Zerda Wheel in Fusion 360
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Hopefully the remaining stuff missing for the bearcat come soon, so I can start a new thread :-)
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Ball bearings arrived in the course of this week... I had them in the Bearcat SS this afternoon, in the adapter.

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Before there was about 2mm play at the end of the axle with the single bearing in the original size, added to the suspension play.
Now, there is only some suspension play... This reduce the play by more than the half. That being said, this is not pefect. Those bearing are MF106K (open/non shlelded), and all MF106 shielded are actually 3mm thick and not 2.5mm thick. It works, but we may need to find other axis (would work with a 6MM range axis), as I doubt it is possible to find other 2.5mm bearings, flanged and shlelded...
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Trimed the driver, put new tires on, change the rods that where too short... And it looks almost new

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I still need to connect the motor, to paint the driver figure and add some some stckers and that will be done... But in the meantime, the project box is free, which means I'll be able to tear down two Hirobos :-)
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It took about 6 months!
The motor is connected, and I do not have any other car as silent as this one... Except that when I run it in the leaving room to check the trims, the dog is barking :-D
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I still need to paint the driver figure. I intend to have this car ready for this season vintage events...
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