Flip's Old is New (Part Two)

[hawgfanman]

Looks killer!

[THEYTOOKMYTHUMB]

it's hard to drive with one hand and hold the camera/phone too.

You have to lick the back of it and stick it on your forehead...

Looks awesome as usual.

[flipwils11]

A few updates, new wheels and tires, a lexan undertray is now installed, new longer esc motor wires and motor sensor wire to route through the shock tower, and Kyosho RT5 wing mounts (thanks for the suggestion Sean) and the wing is mounted. I like that I was able to install them mounted outside the body so I didn't have to cut, and they slightly pinch the body in the rear which keeps it nice and tight around the motor/trans area.

Still to do after driving it a bit, the steering does not always go full lock to lock especially if turning. It's strange, hit or miss, and seems to have to do with slop in the linkage to the servo saver which prevents it from going to full lock until the slop is taken up. Frustrating because the turning radius sucks and would be a huge hindrance on a track.

[askbob]

Looks sweet!

Do you have any locknuts on the steering arm ballstuds? If so, they can hit the A arm when the suspension is not compressed limiting steering.

[SFC K]

That is killer and I love the color combos you chose for this build.

[Y'ernat Al]

Still to do after driving it a bit, the steering does not always go full lock to lock especially if turning. It's strange, hit or miss, and seems to have to do with slop in the linkage to the servo saver which prevents it from going to full lock until the slop is taken up. Frustrating because the turning radius sucks and would be a huge hindrance on a track.

Adam, That paint is Awesome!

Couple steering thoughts:

I would move the servo mount so the servo is square up. You have the low profile Savox, why introduce the trigonometry when you don't have to? You are only getting the cosine of the angle you put the servo at, maybe 95% of what you could get travel wise?

Is the servo saver one of the kimbrough "medium strength" ones? I have one setup very similar to you (with a squared up servo) and I have all the throw I want in each direction. I like a bolink heim link at the servo saver too. I always try to have the servo link perfectly perpendicular, and my controller set to maximum range, but I'm particular about steering.With that servo, you could actually run without it relatively safely.

If you've had your ball cups off and on a bit, just replace them. The aggregate slop of the 8 ball cups in the system can add up if any are less than tight.

Oh, and shims and screws in the A&L need to be in there just right, to assure it's as buttery as it should be.

[flipwils11]

Thanks guys, I'll work some more on the steering setup using your suggestions.


Thanks for the compliments on paint and color scheme!

[Y'ernat Al]

Thanks guys, I'll work some more on the steering setup using your suggestions.


Thanks for the compliments on paint and color scheme!

And you have to cut that wing wicker down too. No sense in trying to get it to turn right when you are lifting the front end every time you have any throttle. 1/4" to 3/8", 1/2" at the most, should be all you need.

That thing really looks neat.

[flipwils11]

I got the steering setup to be much better with the servo perpendicular and further back against the edge/wall of the chassis. The steering is much better, however interestingly, I had to limit the travel of the servo to about 80% because the tires at full lock hit the edge of the front dynotech arms. I feel like a modern buggy like the B4 has more lock to lock steering travel.

[scr8p]

get rid of the trailing axles. you still probably won't get full steering but it'll be a lot better.

[askbob]

get rid of the trailing axles. you still probably won't get full steering but it'll be a lot better.

What do you mean exactly? I ask because one of my cars is limited on steering throw.

[scr8p]

adam has offset front axles/knuckles (i guess i should've just said offset in the other post ). using inline knuckles and axles will push the wheel front, and should give more clearance at the front of the arm when turning.

[flipwils11]

Thanks Jason, I will look into it. Would be a shame to ditch the trick Lunsford titanium b4 front axles I have on this build but more turning ability should trump the coolness factor.

Edit: I must be using 9581 I guess, it's been so long since I started building it I can't remember!

http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/9581/

Edit again, found this copied from associated's website b4 tips:

30 The track that I run on is outdoors, hard packed, slick and bumpy. In your opinion would the inline axles have an advantage over the trailing?

The Team especially recommends the trailing blocks on high-grip or “blue-groove” conditions. Optional inline steering blocks will give the car an overall more aggressive steering feeling. Steering entering and exiting the corners is increased, and straight-line stability is slightly reduced.

[flipwils11]

The indoor carpet off road track near me has practice on Friday afternoons for a few bucks so I took the yellow pan over for the first time on a track. I HAD A FREAKIN BLAST DRIVING THIS THING! There is still room for improvement I'm sure, but the car was such a joy. The suspension is quite soft and it really soaked up the jumps especially with the long shocks on the front end. The Schumacher mini pins and soft setup really had it cornering great with hardly any traction rolling. Driven at a good clip alongside b4's, I was just about able to keep pace with them but the 8.5t motor didn't hurt in that respect. I don't need that much power though and could accomplish the same with a 13.5T and tweak gearing I think.

Damn I can't wait to drive it on the track again. It looked fantastic out there too among modern buggies and a few Traxxas Slashes running around and there were LOTS of comments. At least three people asked if it was the re-re so it shows that even for guys into vintage stuff, they heard about Associated's announcement! I heard guys talking when I was on the track too, "what is THAT, oh it's an rc10?". Guys had lots of questions about the parts and modifications and many stopped by for a closer look.

The turning was decent, better than my B3 and I still have to try the inline front axles. The other issue I had was ball cups popping off the steering linkage but I think I know why and will have a solution for that.

[Y'ernat Al]

Good to hear Adam.

btw I'm in Minneapolis this weekend for a family reunion. (Went up to Ontario last week Northern fishin'). Wonderful weather you got lately .